It was actually me who built the studio at Rogers "Big Top toys" I used the wood from Elsie Tanners "Western Front" Boutique, Roger was not sole owner as I was 50% partner (and he was the sleeping one at that) the few sessions he did record were all cabaret stuff, it was also myself who bought the gear from Revo as Andy Mac was a mate of mine That was be why Biting Tongues and many others had to use Bootleg mid album because I had the Otari 8 track machine and the AMEK M3200 mixer!), all the punk and rock stuff was mostly booked in by Bruce Mitchell and was recorded by myself, in actual fact nobody wanted to use Roger as he had lost much of his hearing and monitored on the threshold of pain. I originally met him through Tony Roberts and Chris Gill over in Whalley Range, at that time he was in "Uncle Rotters Pigbin Band" we later teamed up to form "Earthbird" an all original band playing songs penned by myself (this would later become "The Ride”